tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4139625267522039683.post7852586414068898810..comments2023-11-05T07:53:12.708-05:00Comments on Poets United: Moonlight MusingsRosemary Nissen-Wadehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05913841031559499568noreply@blogger.comBlogger28125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4139625267522039683.post-27956272437769380342018-09-17T17:22:50.035-04:002018-09-17T17:22:50.035-04:00Gosh, how exciting that you have this mission to &...Gosh, how exciting that you have this mission to 'inject' poetry into schools! What a brilliant thing to do. <br /><br />And how very interesting that you do specifically consider where you intend a piece to appear, when you're doing the writing. I especially love it that this is in a larger context of writing to be read aloud.Rosemary Nissen-Wadehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05913841031559499568noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4139625267522039683.post-35935380209949014232018-09-17T02:32:54.140-04:002018-09-17T02:32:54.140-04:00What a wonderful and thought-provoking conversatio...What a wonderful and thought-provoking conversation you have started here! <br /><br />I enjoyed reading different takes from this talented community of poets; so much to ponder and consider. But I especially like and I agree with your statement, "I expect we all know by now that any poem written for the page CAN be spoken effectively." <br /><br />I'm always aware of the medium I'm writing for, that is, the poem length, sound, visual, etc. depends on whether I'm going to post it on the blog, it's going to published by a journal or am I publishing it myself. But one thing remains, I write my poems to be read aloud. And I do that reading mostly myself around schools, and wherever I can inject poetry. I've found this to be an effective way (for me) to get students, and people in general, excited about and appreciative of poetry.<br /><br />Thanks Rosemary, love your musings/conversations about poetry; there's always so much to take in.Khaya Ronkainenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06286352495379234651noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4139625267522039683.post-30916881902530270552018-09-16T17:10:18.302-04:002018-09-16T17:10:18.302-04:00I don't write to every prompt either. It rathe...I don't write to every prompt either. It rather depends when in the week they appear; some days I am simply too busy. Often I am moved to action more by prompts of form than subject: a very personal preference. But if we can't be personal in our own poetry ... lol.Rosemary Nissen-Wadehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05913841031559499568noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4139625267522039683.post-37592476055830399322018-09-16T11:52:12.346-04:002018-09-16T11:52:12.346-04:00A wonderfully interesting post!! Yes, though a he...A wonderfully interesting post!! Yes, though a hermit, my life is busy, I have more to do than I can say grace over. But I do try, to read the poems of others. Sometimes I fall behind, as I am now. But I will try to catch up. For me, I can never say exactly what I will get from a poem. Sometimes I have no idea what the poet is talking about, but maybe there is a a chosen word, or phrase, that catches my attention. And often when I don't really understand, I leave a short comment just to let the poet know I did come by, I read the words. Sometimes I think the poem so profound I am not qualitfied to comment. I always love to share my work, as each work is a miracle to me. (I have not always thought of myself as a poet and I often surprise myself. I do wonder sometimes what is this all about? But even though I don't have all the words to explain it to myself, I keep at it. I am giving myself more permission, if I am not inspired (inner breath) by the prompt, I just don't write. I need to be moved to action by the prompt.)annell4https://www.blogger.com/profile/07629830133868270690noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4139625267522039683.post-89320354120654272462018-09-16T01:00:10.690-04:002018-09-16T01:00:10.690-04:00I for one will always read a poem all the way thro...I for one will always read a poem all the way through and do my best to take it in, even if I leave only a one-word comment. <br /><br />Yes, I have noticed that some blogs get frequent appreciative comments from readers who are not part of our regular poetic communities. The rest of us would like to know how you attract them, please! Only half-joking ... but I'm grateful for any readers, no matter how they get there. And I agree that it's fascinating – indeed, illuminating – to see the variety of styles and approaches from different poets. I find being part of the blogging community an enriching experience altogether.Rosemary Nissen-Wadehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05913841031559499568noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4139625267522039683.post-44158630386242357112018-09-16T00:46:44.667-04:002018-09-16T00:46:44.667-04:00Yes, I have to admit Burton is wonderful reading D...Yes, I have to admit Burton is wonderful reading Dylan Thomas – which must come from their shared Welshness among other things – and also I love Benedict Cumberbatch reading Keats. (I'll have to hunt up Guiness doing Eliot.) I agree with you about sing-song cadences too. I think it's good to have the music underlying the meaning, not eclipsing it.<br /><br />I don't find your poetry obscure, Laura, and I'm glad you don't find my comments hasty. Maybe we just 'get' each other's writing. That can happen too, I think: one may have more affinity with some poets than with others – not necessarily as regards content so much as expression.Rosemary Nissen-Wadehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05913841031559499568noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4139625267522039683.post-81303119924525499272018-09-15T17:01:49.330-04:002018-09-15T17:01:49.330-04:00I very much enjoy your highly accessible (and ofte...I very much enjoy your highly accessible (and often witty) poetry interspersed with visuals.<br /><br />And yes, 'a bit of mystery' definitely has its place in poetry!Rosemary Nissen-Wadehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05913841031559499568noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4139625267522039683.post-17722740920243947532018-09-15T16:37:37.117-04:002018-09-15T16:37:37.117-04:00Another interesting post, Rosemary. I, almost alw...Another interesting post, Rosemary. I, almost always, read poetry aloud(while writing it or reading the work of others) - though, I am not yet ready to read my poetry publicity, at a poetry reading. (I don't know what that says about my comfort level.) Usually, I read poetry - softly to myself - so most so, that those around me occasionally ask what I'm talking to myself about ~ lol ~ I do believe in revisions, but put a cap on them after a few days. Otherwise, I'd probably never stop. I seldom know, when I begin to write, whether my work will be long or short … or (for that matter) whether it will rhyme or be a prose poem. If it ends up being long, I post it anyway. Often people (who are commenting on a lot of poems) will make a brief comment that indicates they popped by, but didn't necessarily linger for the entire length. That's fine with me. I appreciate the courtesy. But I have noticed that there are others who visit my blog, regularly who (I suspect) are not part of the poetry community. I believe they came upon my blog, connected with it, and stop in every week (or so) to see what I've posted - be it long or short. It is interesting, I think, to look at the various approaches and guidelines (if any) that other poets have to posting on a poetry blog. Thanks, Rosemary!Wendy Bourkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09475940407969993348noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4139625267522039683.post-81040352550033265252018-09-15T12:22:37.596-04:002018-09-15T12:22:37.596-04:00Apologies for the typos. I'm good at spelling....Apologies for the typos. I'm good at spelling. Don't get me started on American spelling... Grrrrrr:)rallentandahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06980559347805844568noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4139625267522039683.post-65189606396065828592018-09-15T12:19:16.518-04:002018-09-15T12:19:16.518-04:00Very interesting, thought provoking post.I prefer ...Very interesting, thought provoking post.I prefer poems to be read only with the mind's voice. I do not like lengthy poems, 'struggle to understand poems' or recited poems.I like poems which make you smile and laugh...comforting poems that put their arms about you , give you a kiss on the cheek and say it's ok love, I feel like that too. The whole point is connection.<br /><br />I have been to a couple of those poetry get togethers and did not like them at all.This is not surprising since I tend not to enjoy or agree with things everyone else does.If it were not for blogs I am sure my poems would not be read by anyone. I am too old to grafitti them on walls or have them tattooed to my body :) It pleases me enormously that kthers seem to like, relate and understand my work which is direct simple 'how's your dad' type poetry, in the main.Althoug I am capable of writing an esoteric number if the mood strikes.<br />I am opposed to copious notes and explanations. It makes it easier to understand but then again why should it be made easy?There is nothing wrong with a bit of mystery.There are poems that I don't understand but if they have a nice flow feel and imagery I like them anyway.I am not a purist as far as poetry is concerned so I also like lots of interspersed visuals which I do understand is not favoured by intellectuals but it seems to be becoming more and more popular which I think is a good thing, making it more accesible. When I started as a blog poet hardly anyone used visual or video clips.<br />Well I could go on and on but I will end by just saying I love poetry and I feel blessed to know blog poets who love it as much as I do.<br />rallentandahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06980559347805844568noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4139625267522039683.post-56678934501389958852018-09-15T08:42:17.611-04:002018-09-15T08:42:17.611-04:00Indeed! I could have put his entire poem here as ...Indeed! I could have put his entire poem here as the comment. He anticipated me.Susanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05723639294340760325noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4139625267522039683.post-74223901597651843162018-09-15T08:07:07.262-04:002018-09-15T08:07:07.262-04:00Such a thought provoking post Rosemary - am readin...Such a thought provoking post Rosemary - am reading it at leisure this Sunday instead of being at the gym. <br /><br />Personally I usually prefer the poem to be unheard and rarely do I enjoy hearing the poet read the poem - e.g. Burton is best for Dylan Thomas; Alec Guiness instead of Eliot. <br />With formal speech and drama training, I dislike sing song cadences etc - Beat poetry for example just gets on my nerves.<br /><br />I can honestly say that I am not that influenced by what the average blog reader has time to digest or comprehend - my poems can be obscure and misunderstood but I work hard at not making them erudite for its own sake. The length is something determined by the Muse not 'the quick liker passing on to the next post' kind of person.<br /><br />As a reader myself, I fully understand time issues and am guilty of not doing as much visiting as I would like - reciprocity is important though not as tit for tat - when I am late comer in the link up (happens rather often) I opt to read every other person and give them the time their writing deserves.<br />p.s. I always appreciate the feedback you offer - it never feels hastyLaura Bloomsburyhttps://poetrypix.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4139625267522039683.post-59253235426327863552018-09-15T08:06:41.991-04:002018-09-15T08:06:41.991-04:00(Smile.) I always date mine too, for the same reas...(Smile.) I always date mine too, for the same reason.Rosemary Nissen-Wadehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05913841031559499568noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4139625267522039683.post-34871028936657698812018-09-15T08:05:16.755-04:002018-09-15T08:05:16.755-04:00I'm reminded of William Carlos Williams:
I wa...I'm reminded of William Carlos Williams:<br /><br />I wanted to write a poem<br />that you would understand.<br />For what good is it to me<br />if you can't understand it?<br /> But you got to try hard --Rosemary Nissen-Wadehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05913841031559499568noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4139625267522039683.post-52304622819726984812018-09-15T05:02:34.513-04:002018-09-15T05:02:34.513-04:00ah, the dilemma of revision! i like what you said ...ah, the dilemma of revision! i like what you said about revision. first bite may be tastiest, and why add more salt or sugar to a dish? that's why i always dated my poems, in case i do a revision. i revise only when i think that that editing improves and make that poem a little more perfect. :)<br />dsnake1https://www.blogger.com/profile/08724264906690080704noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4139625267522039683.post-22786800100150905472018-09-14T22:34:59.494-04:002018-09-14T22:34:59.494-04:00I am guilty of writing and posting almost immediat...I am guilty of writing and posting almost immediately, though there is revision from page to blog, because it is in that transfer that I read aloud and first hear what I have written. And my poems work at readings when i read them myself. But when I go to publish--whether I submit them to someone else or make a calendar--I moan at how bad they are and how much revision they need, and how some are even disposable. That leads me to see the three venues as different, however, I never think about that when I write--when the must of the moment comes and I have to write. I'll tell you one thing that rarely happens to me with blogged poems however--there are some so-dense poems--brilliant on the page but very hard to follow aloud--that rarely occurs on the blogs, thank God. One of my mentors writes like that, and tries to teach me to take that kind of time and care. As a writer, I prefer the less dense, the clarity of the narrative over the figure, though nothing is more enjoyable to me than reading an unusual and evocative image. So, yes, I take my time with poets I love like Gerard Manley Hopkins and Rajani--but don't enjoy Oliver and Piercy any the less for being faster reads. It seems poets meet different needs and cannot be judged by only one ruler.Susanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05723639294340760325noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4139625267522039683.post-74160880583781910662018-09-14T18:09:50.586-04:002018-09-14T18:09:50.586-04:00I think 'always' is a bit too much of a ge...I think 'always' is a bit too much of a generalisation in these days when poetry comes in so many varieties – there is some purely visual poetry after all. That being said, I think there's a lot in the 'musicality' argument. Reading poetry aloud 'during the day ... roaming around' as you do – what exquisite pleasure! (Why have I not been doing likewise?)<br /><br />I've seldom written solely for performance, but there was a time when I slanted my stuff more that way than I do now, simply because I did a lot of performing back then and hardly ever do now. But I usually intend my poetry to work both ways. <br /><br />Blogging has changed things, though. Good point about the 'hot take'. I am basically posting drafts. I won't say first drafts, because I do a lot of revising quite quickly at the point of creation, but often not what I'd consider final. Many of them do turn out to be final, either because I never get back to them or that when I do they turn out to be working better than I thought. <br /><br />And you raise another interesting point – the different ways of reading we bring to paper or screen. That too might lead to a different 'culture' of poetry appreciation as time goes on.Rosemary Nissen-Wadehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05913841031559499568noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4139625267522039683.post-41725419513919503112018-09-14T17:48:22.946-04:002018-09-14T17:48:22.946-04:00I do find your poetry easy to grasp Mary, though n...I do find your poetry easy to grasp Mary, though not lacking profundity. I love and admire the way you manage such clarity. But yes, it is hard to assess one's own work, and I think we probably all do feel we've written something that can be understood, or why put it out there? If it turns out that people don't understand, that will show up pretty quickly, and one can amend the poem or write differently in future. I see so many bloggers' work improve noticeably over time, even when it was brilliant to begin with; and that is one of the great advantages of having a forum like this. We learn by doing, and also by finding out what does or doesn't evoke the response we were trying for.Rosemary Nissen-Wadehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05913841031559499568noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4139625267522039683.post-60422602197914880022018-09-14T17:42:33.894-04:002018-09-14T17:42:33.894-04:00This is a good day to encounter this, having recen...This is a good day to encounter this, having recently encountered an argument that poetry is part of the "music" arts and always--even if read to oneself--written for performance. I've gradually picked up the habit of reading poetry aloud during the day (both as a way to review my own and to experience others') but I find that I mostly do this with printed poetry. Blog poetry I tend to read more quickly...perhaps believing it more akin to journalism, a hot take, as it were. The poems themselves often slow me down and bear multiple readings but I'm not as likely to read them the same way when I'm bound to my screen rather than roaming around with a book. I don't write for the medium (I'm not aware of doing so) but I do intend, eventually, for some of the poems to find their way into print, so perhaps that's the medium they're written towards. Print is my preference for reading, perhaps because it seems more finished.C. Sandlinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15616902831506982429noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4139625267522039683.post-16859729255679456252018-09-14T17:39:12.765-04:002018-09-14T17:39:12.765-04:00I'll look for it!I'll look for it!Rosemary Nissen-Wadehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05913841031559499568noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4139625267522039683.post-61095579922240740002018-09-14T17:38:36.335-04:002018-09-14T17:38:36.335-04:00I sometimes revise a poem that has already been po...I sometimes revise a poem that has already been posted, if I happen to see something that could be improved. Sometimes one needs a gap of time. Revision is tricky, though – one can sometimes revise all the life and energy out of a poem, ending up with a perfectly crafted corpse!Rosemary Nissen-Wadehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05913841031559499568noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4139625267522039683.post-61961080239334352802018-09-14T17:36:21.972-04:002018-09-14T17:36:21.972-04:00How interesting it must be to hear another poet re...How interesting it must be to hear another poet read one's work! I often dislike the way actors read poetry – I think they get the emphases all wrong – but poets do understand how to read poetry.Rosemary Nissen-Wadehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05913841031559499568noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4139625267522039683.post-67977541893506353082018-09-14T17:30:12.972-04:002018-09-14T17:30:12.972-04:00Your comments are always thoughtful, Mary, and muc...Your comments are always thoughtful, Mary, and much appreciated. Where I myself fall down a bit is in comments, I must admit. Sometimes, when time is short, I just leave a one-word comment, particularly if it is a word of unqualified praise, as it often is given the high calibre of our poets. The praise is always genuine, but not exactly informative! I am in awe of people who leave profound, detailed comments on others' work! <br /><br />And thank you very much for the kind reassurances here, about my poems! I'm very glad to know that.Rosemary Nissen-Wadehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05913841031559499568noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4139625267522039683.post-31691223056551067052018-09-14T16:55:39.983-04:002018-09-14T16:55:39.983-04:00I have been remembering that, the few times I go t...I have been remembering that, the few times I go to the bother of submitting something for a contest or a venue where it will be displayed or presented publicly, eg in town here,I do work much harder on it, doing a lot of revision. This has taught me I should do the same thing to my everyday poems, as there is room for improvement. LOL. This is an interesting discussion. I do come across some poems I really dont understand, or that seem too deep for me, unless there is a commentary by the poet. But I usually look for a phrase or perspective I like, in order to comment. The problem is not the poet's talent, it is my addled brain in these cases, lol.Sherry Blue Skyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01926508656571639801noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4139625267522039683.post-44079049366775701112018-09-14T15:28:18.816-04:002018-09-14T15:28:18.816-04:00Thinking of depth in poetry, sometimes I think tha...Thinking of depth in poetry, sometimes I think that some of the 'deepest' of poetry is written from the depths of the writer and very difficult for most readers to understand. I find this sometimes when reading bloggers' poetry. It is written as 'profound,' but I struggle to grasp at all the profundity. I do wonder if the writer realizes that this will be the case....or if the writer believes that they have written something that the reader will readily understand. Lately it seems I have been writing things that are fairly black and white. Probably I always have. I assume that my meanings are easy to grasp, for the most part, but perhaps everyone who writes would feel that way about their own poetry.Maryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07366010389846904663noreply@blogger.com